Tiger Woods’ ex-wife bulldozes $12 million home

[Bliss]

Again, you are welcome to your opinion, but practicing with the kids can indeed be great quality time for all involved, kids tend to love the same activities that their dads love, especially when they are spending time together doing it.

Golf in Tiger's world isn't just an "activity". It consumes most of his life. It has to so he can stay/be the best. His children barely saw their dad, barring seeing him playing golf on TV. Elin even said she was in the dark because she mostly stayed home with the kids while he was juggling 18 mistresses. (I bet he never split his mistress time with them and practice). His children's lives are fractured right now...they need their father to be present and engaged - not practicing his WORK. Its not fair to the child.
We most definitely disagree on this matter.

 

[Loki]

Golf in Tiger's world isn't just an "activity". It consumes most of his life. It has to so he can stay/be the best. His children barely saw their dad, barring seeing him playing golf on TV. Elin even said she was in the dark because she mostly stayed home with the kids while he was juggling 18 mistresses. (I bet he never split his mistress time with them and practice). His children's lives are fractured right now...they need their father to be present and engaged - not practicing his WORK. Its not fair to the child.
We most definitely disagree on this matter.

Well as Tarsh wisely said, men and women connect with their kids in very different ways, there are hundreds of different ways that practicing golf can be made into fun games for dads and their kids that can in fact serve both purposes of being effective practice for him and fun engaged time with the kids.

Not to mention that whatever the settlement, Tiger still has to bring home BIG $ to pay for everyone's lifestyle (assuming he is paying ongoing support payments). His future income is never guaranteed, he has to earn it every week, no cut, no paycheck that week. If he misses enough cuts, even the endorsement money will dry up, ask John Daly or David Duval, former major winners who have to scramble for sponsors, exemptions, and invitations to get spots in tournaments. That means that yes, long practice sessions has to be part of his daily routine, better to incorporate the kids into that routine than to not spend time with them at all.

 

[Bliss]

Well as Tarsh wisely said, men and women connect with their kids in very different ways, there are hundreds of different ways that practicing golf can be made into fun games for dads and their kids that can in fact serve both purposes of being effective practice for him and fun engaged time with the kids.

Not to mention that whatever the settlement, Tiger still has to bring home BIG $ to pay for everyone's lifestyle (assuming he is paying ongoing support payments). His future income is never guaranteed, he has to earn it every week, no cut, no paycheck that week. If he misses enough cuts, even the endorsement money will dry up, ask John Daly or David Duval, former major winners who have to scramble for sponsors, exemptions, and invitations to get spots in tournaments. That means that yes, long practice sessions has to be part of his daily routine, better to incorporate the kids into that routine than to not spend time with them at all.

The way a man connects with his child vs the way a woman does has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand - which is splitting your child's custody time while practicing your work - that to me is not QUALITY.

 

[Loki]

The way a man connects with his child vs the way a woman does has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand - which is splitting your child's custody time while practicing your work - that to me is not QUALITY.

I have many years of experience that says otherwise, the greatest golfer who ever lived says otherwise, yet in your world (someone who is not a golfer and does not understand the game or practice regimens) it is not even possible that time spent on the course with the kids can in fact be quality and effective practice time. Wow, that is serious arrogance on a topic you know very little about.

Here one more try, the day before the Masters (widely considered the most important tournament of the year) every year there is the par three tournament. Every year it is a heartwarming scene because Agusta allows the players to choose their own caddies no matter who they are. The overwhelming number of pros choose their kids who range from all age groups. So here are PGA pros, the day before the most important, prestigious tournament they play all year, and you see their kids from age 2 on up running around on fairways and greens and the dads, while deadly serious about their practice and wanting to play well in the par three tournament (although there is a superstition that nobody wants to actually win the par three tournament because nobody has ever won the par three and the regular tournament in the same week) are having a ball right along with them. The very definition of quality time and serious practice on national display every year.

 

[The Dark King]

I so cosign this. Going off my own experience when I was a kid my mom was a nurse so it was me and my dad all weekend. Before my dad got his degree he did side mechanic jobs and while he worked on the car I pretended to do the same thing with my bike. It was a lot of fun for me and we did this all day long or at some point he'd send me inside and I would watch tv with my little juice box. I don't know if they forget what its like to be a kid but spending time together doesn't constant 24 hour contact and engagement. Most kids are in their own worl completely unconcerned with what you're doing most of the time.
I don't understand what's so hard to get about that.

Don't know if you have kids or not, but I am a father so you do not need to condescend to tell me that kids know when a parent is engaged or not. Did it ever occur to you that maybe his kids love golf just as much as he does, so it is indeed very fun for them as well? That is the case with many kids and their dads. Hmm, you don't seem to understand the game of golf at all nor practice regiments. We will have to agree to disagree whether or not spending time on the course is indeed quality time.

I have given you proof that the best golfer in history practiced with his child, it does not matter if he was splitting time or not, that is at least in part how he chose to spend his quality time with his kids and it still was effective practice. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but as a non-golfer (assuming you are) and understanding little about the game, it is not a very educated opinion. Bottom line, playtime with the kids can indeed be very effective practice and quality time.

 

[The Dark King]

The way a man connects with his child vs the way a woman does has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand - which is splitting your child's custody time while practicing your work - that to me is not QUALITY.

Like you said you'd have to ask his kids that. Quality is subjective like I said before. What might not count as quality to you might be quality to someone else. And who says his kids want to be all over and on top of him for hours upon hours.

 

[Bliss]

I have many years of experience that says otherwise, the greatest golfer who ever lived says otherwise, yet in your world (someone who is not a golfer and does not understand the game or practice regimens) it is not even possible that time spent on the course with the kids can in fact be quality and effective practice time. Wow, that is serious arrogance on a topic you know very little about.

Here one more try, the day before the Masters (widely considered the most important tournament of the year) every year there is the par three tournament. Every year it is a heartwarming scene because Agusta allows the players to choose their own caddies no matter who they are. The overwhelming number of pros choose their kids who range from all age groups. So here are PGA pros, the day before the most important, prestigious tournament they play all year, and you see their kids from age 2 on up running around on fairways and greens and the dads, while deadly serious about their practice and wanting to play well in the par three tournament (although there is a superstition that nobody wants to actually win the par three tournament because nobody has ever won the par three and the regular tournament in the same week) are having a ball right along with them. The very definition of quality time and serious practice on national display every year.

You say otherwise? Wait a minute, I though you said you were NOT a professional golfer??
You quoted Jack but he was not divorced and spending his custody time with his child during practice. So then, calling me arrogant when you are not in Tiger's league, and Jack wasn't in Tigers situation, IDK, are you that arrogant about GOLF that you assume it's in the best interest of a child during a custody visit to partake in their father's work - just because it's golf?? Golf is not a "game" to Tiger, it's his work. To the average man, playing a little put-put on an amusement green is one thing, building a huge golf course to combine your practice time with your kid's playtime is quite another.

The game before the masters is to relax the golfers. It's intended to be lighthearted and very few golfers take it seriously (some do). However, having their kids or grand-kids dress-up in over-sized caddy costumes and do silly fun-time golf antics...are you really trying to equate that one time event with Tiger's decision to combine his kids time? Spare me, thanks.

I think you think I'm attacking GOLF - I'm not. I played it a few times growing up because my best friend neighbour often accompanied her brothers to the the links every weekend and I sometimes went too, so I am familiar with it.

I am telling you like my earlier examples, it doesn't have to be golf, it could be a top record producer, or a top chef...leave your work behind and focus on your kids!

 

[Bliss]

i pulled the number out of my head, my point is, it's hard to feel sorry for someone who while she was still "grieving" was still trying to get as much as she could.

I wanted to add that if that were true - if she was a money grubber, then why didn't she ask for or take any money for her PEOPLE interview? To keep it in perspective of what she could have garnered, Brad and Angela asked for and got $12 million for their twins exclusive.

 

[Loki]

You say otherwise? Wait a minute, I though you said you were NOT a professional golfer??
You quoted Jack but he was not divorced and spending his custody time with his child during practice. So then, calling me arrogant when you are not in Tiger's league, and Jack wasn't in Tigers situation, IDK, are you that arrogant about GOLF that you assume it's in the best interest of a child during a custody visit to partake in their father's work - just because it's golf?? Golf is not a "game" to Tiger, it's his work. To the average man, playing a little put-put on an amusement green is one thing, building a huge golf course to combine your practice time with your kid's playtime is quite another.

The game before the masters is to relax the golfers. It's intended to be lighthearted and very few golfers take it seriously (some do). However, having their kids or grand-kids dress-up in over-sized caddy costumes and do silly fun-time golf antics...are you really trying to equate that one time event with Tiger's decision to combine his kids time? Spare me, thanks.

I think you think I'm attacking GOLF - I'm not. I played it a few times growing up because my best friend neighbour often accompanied her brothers to the the links every weekend and I sometimes went too, so I am familiar with it.

I am telling you like my earlier examples, it doesn't have to be golf, it could be a top record producer, or a top chef...leave your work behind and focus on your kids!

Wow, it seems like you are being obtuse on purpose. I mentioned myself and my experiences as proof that back when I was playing every day and working as hard as any pro, spending time with my father on the course was indeed quality time. As I stated before, regardless if Jack was divorced or not, he still traveled A LOT more than Tiger in those days, and still chose to spend at least part of his quality time with his kids on the course practicing, he had two of his sons go on to play pro, quality time indeed.

You ask if it is to the kids benefit to partake in golf, golf has HUUUGE benefits for kids, it introduces them to math, horticulture, agriculture, angles, degrees of loft, psychology, wildlife, and many other avenues for useful learning.

It seems you missed my point regarding the par three tournament. Most golfers do work hard on their games during it, it is the day before the tournament! I merely used it as an example of how golf can serve both purposes of being great family time even though the golfers are working.

You keep mentioning that golf is not a game to Tiger, I disagree, listen to how Tiger talks about golf, he talks about it like an artist talks about a classic painting, he loves the very guts of the game, yes it is his profession, but he *loves* playing and practicing the game. Sharing that love through practice with his kids is indeed focusing on his kids and sharing one of the most passionate things in his life.

So many aspects of golf can be shared with kids in so many fun ways that it would not even seem like practice to the kids, just hanging out and having fun with dad, yet tiger would still be getting his work in.

 

[Iggy]

Tiger hasn't bitched about the settlement that we have no clue was...so why are you? If it turns out to be 20 million, will you feel/sleep better?

Not publicly but I bet he has in private. If a bitch made off with that much of my money, lord knows I would lol.

 

[Iggy]

I wanted to add that if that were true - if she was a money grubber, then why didn't she ask for or take any money for her PEOPLE interview? To keep it in perspective of what she could have garnered, Brad and Angela asked for and got $12 million for their twins exclusive.

I believe she has a gag order (hence getting a shit ton of Tiger's hard earned money).

 

[pettyofficerj]

Wow, it seems like you are being obtuse on purpose. I mentioned myself and my experiences as proof that back when I was playing every day and working as hard as any pro, spending time with my father on the course was indeed quality time. As I stated before, regardless if Jack was divorced or not, he still traveled A LOT more than Tiger in those days, and still chose to spend at least part of his quality time with his kids on the course practicing, he had two of his sons go on to play pro, quality time indeed.

You ask if it is to the kids benefit to partake in golf, golf has HUUUGE benefits for kids, it introduces them to math, horticulture, agriculture, angles, degrees of loft, psychology, wildlife, and many other avenues for useful learning.

It seems you missed my point regarding the par three tournament. Most golfers do work hard on their games during it, it is the day before the tournament! I merely used it as an example of how golf can serve both purposes of being great family time even though the golfers are working.

You keep mentioning that golf is not a game to Tiger, I disagree, listen to how Tiger talks about golf, he talks about it like an artist talks about a classic painting, he loves the very guts of the game, yes it is his profession, but he *loves* playing and practicing the game. Sharing that love through practice with his kids is indeed focusing on his kids and sharing one of the most passionate things in his life.

So many aspects of golf can be shared with kids in so many fun ways that it would not even seem like practice to the kids, just hanging out and having fun with dad, yet tiger would still be getting his work in.

oh snaps

 

[Bliss]

Not publicly but I bet he has in private. If a bitch made off with that much of my money, lord knows I would lol.

Tiger's net worth is 600 million. For argument's sake, even if she got 100 mill, he still has half a billion left....and counting.
What's more, only days after his divorce, he took out a $54 million mortgage to build a new mansion for himself, and he contracted to have that re-paid in full by Jan, 2016. So I highly doubt he's bitching.

 

[Bliss]

I believe she has a gag order (hence getting a shit ton of Tiger's hard earned money).

No gag order...she gave the interview. The point was, she took no money for it. So her being gagged and getting heaps to say silent...is not true.

"This wasn't about the money for Elin. It was about telling her story once and for all. She will be happy that so many people bought the issue and finally read the truth. But now she hopes they all go away and leave her and her family alone. The last thing in the world Elin wanted to be was a celebrity."

 

[The Dark King]

No gag order...she gave the interview. The point was, she took no money for it. So her being gagged and getting heaps to say silent...is not true.

"This wasn't about the money for Elin. It was about telling her story once and for all. She will be happy that so many people bought the issue and finally read the truth. But now she hopes they all go away and leave her and her family alone. The last thing in the world Elin wanted to be was a celebrity."

HHold on wasnt the whole point of the settlement for a non disclosure agreement? Otherwise why settle?

 

[Ches]

It's funny how Tiger is the one who cheated, humiliated his wife before all the world with, not one affair, but multiple ones, destroyed a marriage and family, and tarnished his own image but Elin is the villain. And I'm not defending her because she is a woman, but because she was wronged. If the cheater had been a woman, I would defend the husband. Having said that, I don't think being betrayed is license to rake someone over the coals financially, but I do believe the spouse/children are entitled to live in a similar fashion as to what they would have had the marriage endured.

 

[orejon4]

It's funny how Tiger is the one who cheated, humiliated his wife before all the world with, not one affair, but multiple ones, destroyed a marriage and family, and tarnished his own image but Elin is the villain. And I'm not defending her because she is a woman, but because she was wronged. If the cheater had been a woman, I would defend the husband. Having said that, I don't think being betrayed is license to rake someone over the coals financially, but I do believe the spouse/children are entitled to live in a similar fashion as to what they would have had the marriage endured.

I believe the children have that right, but not the spouse. I've said this before on other threads, but unless the wife was barred from working, she should not get alimony. It should only be compensation for lost wages for the period she missed working, not a lifetime engagement.

 

[pettyofficerj]

the ex-wife is entitled?

that is horseshit and u know it

 

[orejon4]

the ex-wife is entitled?

that is horseshit and u know it

I meant that she is NOT entitled to anything beyond compensation for the period she was kept from working for childcare work. Other than childcare, I don't see any justification for a woman staying home from work. Once the kids are school age, time to start searching the Classified section.

 

[pettyofficerj]

I meant that she is NOT entitled to anything beyond compensation for the period she was kept from working for childcare work. Other than childcare, I don't see any justification for a woman staying home from work. Once the kids are school age, time to start searching the Classified section.

this is response to ches

fall back, fam