Trayvon Martin's Murder
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Jase
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http://www.asca.net/system/assets/a...erican_Criminal_Justice_System.pdf?1279830562
Stats are somewhat dated but not much has changed. It talks about disparities in Florida too.
pettyofficerj
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Bliss
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Elsewhere in the country maybe, but not FL.
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Florida’s harsh 10-20-Life statutes give harsh punishments for all gun crimes. For pulling a gun out during a crime, the sentence is ten years.
For firing the gun, a mandatory 20-year sentence is issued.
A person convicted in shooting dead a victim with a gun faces 25 years to life in prison.
According to the Florida Department of Corrections’ website, the strict statutes have driven down gun violence by as much as 30 per cent.
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Seems like it's all or nothing with them. SMH
Bliss
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He said white females. Not reading that 'book' (34 chapter pages!).
Can u direct me to the stat that WW are favored? What page? thnx.
Jase
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Ahh I see. As for that I don't have but it really wouldn't surprise me, although I wouldn't expect it to just be limited to Florida. There have been more than enough studies in the past 2 decades especially that have proven time and time again the judicial system in this country, not to mention law enforcement, is biased towards whites and against minorities, especially Blacks and has been for decades at least.
Bliss
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Yes, I do agree...stats show disparity in punishment administered overall. But I don't think Mikey can single our WW as being the favored one. I would have to look into female crime stats and punishments before one can make that assertion. But not tonight, it's Sat and I'm about to have some cocktails.
Jase
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Yes, I do agree...stats show disparity in punishment administered overall. But I don't think Mikey can single our WW as being the favored one. I would have to look into female crime stats and punishments before one can make that assertion. But not tonight, it's Sat and I'm about to have some cocktails.
Well have one for me. On that note I will leave off with one of my favorite racial disparity videos from "What would you do" which never fails to make me laugh even though it's a sad commentary on America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0kV_b3IK9M
Bliss
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She doesn't sound like a hothead to me.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/12/opinion/roland-martin-mandatory-minimums/
Editor's note: Roland S. Martin is a syndicated columnist and author of "The First: President Barack Obama's Road to the White House." He is a commentator for the TV One cable network and host/managing editor of its Sunday morning news show, "Washington Watch with Roland Martin."
(CNN) -- There is no reason Marissa Alexander should spend the next 20 years in prison.
If you are the most hardened law-and-order person in the world, even you should have some compassion for Alexander, the Jacksonville, Florida, woman who has been struck by the ridiculous Florida law known as 10-20-life.
The law requires anyone convicted of an aggravated assault when a firearm is discharged to serve a minimum of 20 years in prison with no regard to extenuating circumstances.
Alexander says that on August 1, 2010, her husband went into a rage and tried to strangle her after reading some text messages she sent to her ex-husband. She fled the family home, got to the garage and realized she didn't have her keys. Fearing for her life, she says she grabbed a gun and went back into the home to retrieve her keys.
She says her husband threatened to kill her, and to keep him at bay, she fired a warning shot into a wall.
Why was she charged, convicted and sentenced? Because State Attorney Angela Corey, the same prosecutor leading the Trayvon Martin case, said the gun was fired near a bedroom where two children were and they could have been injured.
Roland Martin
Did the bullet hit the children? No. Did Alexander point the gun at her husband and hit him? No. She simply fired a warning shot, and according to Florida's shameful law, that's enough for a minimum 20-year sentence.
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Corey offered Alexander a three-year sentence in a plea bargain, but Alexander felt she had done nothing wrong and so rejected the plea.
In sentencing her, the judge made it clear that, despite all the pleas for mercy, including one from Alexander's 11-year-old daughter who took the stand, he was left with no choice but to send Alexander to jail for at least 20 years.
Alexander tried to invoke Florida's controversial stand your ground law in her defense, but that was rejected. Critics of the law's role in the Martin case have said this shows how the law is applied unevenly.
But the real issue here isn't the faulty stand your ground law. It's the ridiculous mandatory minimum sentences that have been approved by countless state legislatures and Congress.
In 2007, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (PDF) that the federal sentencing guidelines in some types of cases should not be seen as mandatory but as "advisory," giving judges the leeway (PDF) to consider multiple factors before sentencing someone.
In a 2003 speech to the American Bar Association, Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy railed against federal mandatory minimums, saying, "Our resources are misspent, our punishment too severe, our sentences too long."
"I can accept neither the necessity nor the wisdom of federal mandatory minimum sentences," Kennedy said. "In too many cases, mandatory minimum sentences are unwise or unjust."
Unfortunately, on the state level, far too many law-and-order legislators, most with no courtroom or law enforcement experience, enact such laws without giving any thought to potential cases like Alexander's.
The 10-20-life policy has no business in the laws of Florida or any other state.
Judges should have the discretion to consider a variety of factors in sentencing, and I have no doubt had this judge been given flexibility, Alexander wouldn't be going to prison for 20 years.
These types of injustices are common in our legal system, and it is necessary for everyone with a conscience to stand up and decry these so-called legislative remedies that end up as nightmares.
Alexander was a woman trying to flee an enraged husband. She could have easily pointed the gun at him and pleaded self-defense, and like George Zimmerman, the shooter in the Martin case who was not initially charged, Alexander might never have been arrested.
Our prison systems are overcrowded, and folks like Marissa Alexander do not belong in them.
One hopes that Florida Gov. Rick Scott will find some compassion and grant Alexander a pardon, and the Florida Legislature will revise the law to prevent future miscarriages of justice.
Florida elected officials and residents should be ashamed of this law and do all they can to change it.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Roland S. Martin.
Bliss
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Like I SAID, if she was defending herself, she had every right to. But if it was just arguments, you don't grab a gun.
Like I SAID, 20 years is RIDICULOUS - because I'd probably have shot a man trying to STRANGLE ME.
But you don't think beating a man black and blue isn't being a hot head? The man you shot a warning shot at cause he strangled you? The man you were told to stay away from? What are you going to his house for sex for anyway? You beat him In front of your children, no less, who called 911 on you...?
I'm not gonna give her a pass because she's a woman on that.
Roland is pissing in the wind because she had the Probation option - which she blew when she was out on bail, she had a pleas option, which she declined - Florida's mandatory sentences are stupid and extreme..if that were me, I'm not testing a jury if I;m offered 3 yrs, with almost 500 jail days credit under my belt to boot? I'm taking the plea. Don't test/fuck with the South and their sentencing laws.
I agree with him that she doesn't belong there - I hope she gets it reduced, b/c firing a gun and getting 20 years is pathetic. They need to change the sentencing laws.
andreboba
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Obama will give her a presidential pardon IMO on his way out of office, either at the end of his 1st term, or the end of his 2nd.
But to be sitting in jail for 4 to 20 years over some bullshit, firing a gun inside your own home, is one of the most idiotic laws I've ever heard.
But to be sitting in jail for 4 to 20 years over some bullshit, firing a gun inside your own home, is one of the most idiotic laws I've ever heard.
The Dark King
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Yes, I do agree...stats show disparity in punishment administered overall. But I don't think Mikey can single our WW as being the favored one. I would have to look into female crime stats and punishments before one can make that assertion. But not tonight, it's Sat and I'm about to have some cocktails.
Are you kidding? What country do you live in? If you want any indication on how much ww are favored all you have to do is compare the attention given to ww and their children if some shit goes wrong. Yet to see a national amber alert over a little Asian kid.
I don't need crime statistics to tell me certain parts of Philly ain't safe at 1 am on Saturday in July.
Bliss
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No, are you kidding? Spare me your propositional bullcrap when statistical facts are available, ok?
I asked you to show me how the judicial system favors WW?
White women make up the majority of women in custody at 45.5%,
Black women account for 32.6%
Hispanic women represent 16% of of incarcerated women 2009
FURTHERMORE....
• The female prison population grew by 832% from 1977 to 2007.
The male prison population only grew 416% during the same time period.
• Okalahoma has the highest female imprisonment rate at 134 per 100,000 women.
FURTHERMORE....
Nearly two-thirds of women in prison are mothers.
• 65,600 women in federal and state custody reported being the mothers of 147,400 minor children.
• 77% of incarcerated mothers reported providing most of the daily
care for their child(ren) before incarceration.
• 11% of incarcerated mothers reported their their children being placed in fostercare, compared to only two percent of fathers.
www.wpaonline.org
Oh look TDK, WW in jail. Shocking, I know, because WW are such privileged Princesses through your never-ending persecuted goggles. Once again, can you (and Mikey) tell me how the judicial system favors WW..WW with kids, no less?
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As for your AMBER Alert ignorance -
NUMBER AND CHARACTERISTICS OF CHILDREN REPORTED MISSING:
Race of children involved in AMBER Alerts:
37% White,
29% Black,
27% Hispanic,
3% Biracial,
2% Asian,
1% American Indian
AMBER Alerts were issued for 37% of White children whereas Minority children represented 62%.
http://www.amberalert.gov/pdfs/09_amber_report.pdf
The Dark King
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I'm on my phone so I cant google this but please look up conviction lengths and death row imprisonment as it applies to races. Blacks are far more likely to be executed fkr the same exact crimes their white counter commit. Where did the mothers part come from? As far as the ambert alert stats in comparisons are concerned my point was that we the generql populus are overwhelmingly far more exposed to the disappearence of white white children more than every other race combined.
No, are you kidding? Spare me your propositional bullcrap when statistical facts are available, ok?
I asked you to show me how the judicial system favors WW?
White women make up the majority of women in custody at 45.5%,
Black women account for 32.6%
Hispanic women represent 16% of of incarcerated women 2009
FURTHERMORE....
• The female prison population grew by 832% from 1977 to 2007.
The male prison population only grew 416% during the same time period.
• Okalahoma has the highest female imprisonment rate at 134 per 100,000 women.
FURTHERMORE....
Nearly two-thirds of women in prison are mothers.
• 65,600 women in federal and state custody reported being the mothers of 147,400 minor children.
• 77% of incarcerated mothers reported providing most of the daily
care for their child(ren) before incarceration.
• 11% of incarcerated mothers reported their their children being placed in fostercare, compared to only two percent of fathers.
www.wpaonline.org
Oh look TDK, WW in jail. Shocking, I know, because WW are such privileged Princesses through your never-ending persecuted goggles. Once again, can you (and Mikey) tell me how the judicial system favors WW..WW with kids, no less?
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As for your AMBER Alert ignorance -
NUMBER AND CHARACTERISTICS OF CHILDREN REPORTED MISSING:
Race of children involved in AMBER Alerts:
37% White,
29% Black,
27% Hispanic,
3% Biracial,
2% Asian,
1% American Indian
AMBER Alerts were issued for 37% of White children whereas Minority children represented 62%.
http://www.amberalert.gov/pdfs/09_amber_report.pdf
The Dark King
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And by the way Bliss seriously go fuck yourself. How dare you marginalize my experiences and education by saying I have persecute goggles on. This country is unfair to black people period. If you fail to recognize it maybe you should take off those roze colored goggles.
Bliss
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Listen, I agree - and always have agreed that there is a disparity in races, but in particular, I would say BM get the brunt of the inequity. I have shown you that WW are not favored by the judicial system, because that is what I questioned with Mikey.
I think you just cosign shit without doing any research. To say WW are favored when the stats show they go to jail is ignorant. You want to throw opinions out there, fine - but your basis can not come from your dislike of WP and expect that it will be accepted as fact.
The Dark King
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I dislike WP? Lmao best joke of the month good one. I'll tell my white girlfeiend curled up nxt to me and see what she thinks lol.
I never said ww dont go to jail I am saying they are definittely treated better by the judicial system. Like I said just look at the difference in death row sentencing.