Why men aren't pandering to women anymore.

Funny, because most nurses I know cant stand most docs and I used to work at hospitals for years. The vast majority never dated docs.

ps - I cant stand that meme shit, dont get it.

It's like women who don't like assholes but can't seem to stop getting with them. Also to many have unreasonable expectations. Seriously it's like all women think they deserve a tall good looking guy with a dick made of chocolate that ejaculates money. When they themselves are nothing special.
 
Men have always been judged for their ability to provide for their mate. That's the way it's been, the way it's always going to be. Being willing to marry a doctor doesn't mean a nurse will only find doctors acceptable marriage material was the point; we're talking about women having unrealistic expectations for a husband.

For most professional women the standard from my experience is meet me where I'm at, don't bring both of us down.

It's not salary that makes some women's expectations unrealistic, it's all the other soap opera perfection many want in a relationship that dooms many of their love lives from the jump.

I feel like too many men have forgotten how to BE men in a relationship, which has nothing at all with living up to some women's stratospheric expectations. If a man doesn't know how to give a woman a 'reality check' and accurately assess his own value, he's not really cut out for being married.

Again, most of the women I know aren't bitches, they aren't dreamy high schoolers whose idyllic fantasies dominate their entire waking lives.

Yes there are women who sabotage their own relationships with their attitudes and expectations, but I know sooooo many adult men who would rather play video games than fuck their woman at night.:smt009

People are becoming more self-centered on both sides, which is not the best disposition to have in a LTR for both men and women.

If you're focus is 'ME' and not 'WE', guess what??? Eventually your marriage is going to turn into a steamy pile of doo doo that no one wants to own anymore.

While I agree with you in the second highlighted portion I have to say as far as the first one you can't pull the "way its always been" card especially amongst people who scream equality and equal pay at every turn. You can't demand equality and want fair equity in a relationship if you presume that I'll carry the majority of the financial burden.
I have to ask where you're from because maybe there isn't an abundance of professional men there like there is in NY but women in this area generally want to marry up. Not at their level but far above their own socio-economic status. Every wedding that I've been to thus far, excluding the ones with family money, the woman usually makes 75% to half 25% of what their new spouse makes. Its a very common trend here. So while nurses in your area aren't only available to doctors up here they are or someone of his ilk like a lawyer, engineer, or someone in finance.

As far as dudes who would rather play video games than fuck their women what exactly is wrong with that? Definitely not all the time but I think men like women have moods and aren't always down for sex. It takes less energy to jerk off and then play the new Call of Duty. Just saying.

Also as far as being MEN, I agree with you but like the woman said in the video(I'm paraphrasing) we now live in an era where we celebrate women and girls but love to make men look like idiots. We are constantly bombarded with images of men who can barely take care of themselves until the "right" woman comes along. It creates the notion that we are insufficient without them not to mention any of the actions fueled by traditional roles is now viewed as oppressive/childish on almost every level. So now one must ask what is acceptable make behavior anymore?
Not saying men aren't without fault but for the purpose of this discussion the kind of men women complain about not being able to commit aren't usually the man children who are afraid of commitment but fail to see the reward in it anymore.
 
It's like women who don't like assholes but can't seem to stop getting with them. Also to many have unreasonable expectations. Seriously it's like all women think they deserve a tall good looking guy with a dick made of chocolate that ejaculates money. When they themselves are nothing special.

Wish I could rep you twice for this
 
It's like women who don't like assholes but can't seem to stop getting with them. Also to many have unreasonable expectations. Seriously it's like all women think they deserve a tall good looking guy with a dick made of chocolate that ejaculates money. When they themselves are nothing special.

There's no doubt that some women dig the asshole, maybe see him as a challenge perhaps. In all fairness though there's plenty of men that complain right here on the boards that they don't want a woman who would rather stay home and raise a bunch of munchkins, yet those very women are getting the most attention right here on the boards, as an example.

(As an aside: I believe that raising good human beings is a tougher job than any outside the home and women/men that stay home and do that have my respect.)

So it goes both ways which I guess is stating the obvious. I won't add more because TDK especially, knows how I feel about this topic... ;)
 
There's no doubt that some women dig the asshole, maybe see him as a challenge perhaps. In all fairness though there's plenty of men that complain right here on the boards that they don't want a woman who would rather stay home and raise a bunch of munchkins, yet those very women are getting the most attention right here on the boards, as an example.

(As an aside: I believe that raising good human beings is a tougher job than any outside the home and women/men that stay home and do that have my respect.)

So it goes both ways which I guess is stating the obvious. I won't add more because TDK especially, knows how I feel about this topic... ;)

Sure do and I love that you a forum favorite now lives in the city and can actually confirm a lot of what I'm saying. I know a lot of the folks here thought I was making shit up lol.

Btw I know people who served in the Middle East for 18 month tours would definitely argue that staying at home with your kids is not tougher than any out of the house job lol.
 
Sure do and I love that you a forum favorite now lives in the city and can actually confirm a lot of what I'm saying. I know a lot of the folks here thought I was making shit up lol.

Btw I know people who served in the Middle East for 18 month tours would definitely argue that staying at home with your kids is not tougher than any out of the house job lol.

Good point TDK, you're right about the military service. But I do think raising children is an underappreciated art. :)

And you're also right that NY folks seem to be a special breed.
 
I live in a D.C. suburb.
And since when are nurses so picky???
You have a college degree?? A job/career? Your own place?? A car?? A savings account?? Possibility for upward career advancement??

For most women, that's the baseline, if all other aspects between them are compatible.

Next you're going to be telling me elementary school teachers ONLY marry professionals who make 3x their salary.
 
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I live in a D.C. suburb.
And since when are nurses so picky???
You have a college degree?? A job/career? Your own place?? A car?? A savings account?? Possibility for upward career advancement??

For most women, that's the baseline, if all other aspects between them are compatible.

Next you're going to be telling me elementary school teacher ONLY marry professionals who make 3x their salary.

In this area pretty much. I just go by what I see and by what I've experienced dating especially doing online dating. For one most of the women on there were teachers and social workers and when I went out with them the vast majority expressed the really wanted to stay home and have kids.
To accommodate that their spouse would half to make at least twice as much as they do especially since women don't commonly want to go back to work until the child is school age.
In NY most women aren't looking for love they're husband shopping there's a difference. They will not sacrifice comfort and life style. That's important above all else. I'd suspect from what I know of DC that its pretty common there too.
I think the major lesson the Women's Lib movement taught us is women want the option to work and very actually want. At least from my generation. That's why they pic professions like teaching where they get 12 weeks off a year or more.
Not saying teachers don't have a hard job but everyone does these days. They're no different except they get six times more vacation than the rest of us. But I digress. Check out that NOVA area and tell me there isn't a common trend there as well. Not saying women are evil or bad for doing this shit but I can see why more men reject the notion of marriage.
 
My Mom = Nurse
MY Dad = Doctor

Exceptions don't set the standard of course, but it's not completely uncommon.
 
I live in a D.C. suburb.
And since when are nurses so picky???
You have a college degree?? A job/career? Your own place?? A car?? A savings account?? Possibility for upward career advancement??

For most women, that's the baseline, if all other aspects between them are compatible.

Next you're going to be telling me elementary school teacher ONLY marry professionals who make 3x their salary.

You too? Wow, quite a few DC men representing on this forum.
 
yeah, men have been judged by their ability to provide and now that women are trying to play the man role they are :

disrepecting men...(not all women ok) thinking that all men aint shit
then later they realize that money cant keep em warm...then they make the excuse there arent any good men out there because the pool got small.

the problem is that (men and women) dont know why they are dating. are you dating for fun or something serious. when you know then you act accordingly
 
Great post, Andre! :smt023


That shit was too long and I found myself skimming it.
Was the transcript written by a woman??

I agree that many women have unrealistic expectations in their husband search, but this has been the case ever since women were allowed to have greater life expectations than being housewives and homemakers.

Keeping women out of the workplace was the biggest con job going in Western society, because most women didn't know what they didn't know. Any guy who was gainfully employed who could keep a woman in the lifestyle she was accustomed to as a child was 'in'.

From my experience not every nurse expects to marry a doctor. Women are flexible when it comes to the level of professional achievement their man has before marriage. For most women that I know, the 'test' for whether or not their man's pockets are straight is whether or not he can support the family if she has to stop working for a period a time, whether it be from child birth/rearing or illness.

As a guy I can say with confidence that too many of us are straight up knuckedraggers out here, guys who aren't really suitable emotionally or wired mentally for marriage.

As for women entering formerly male dominated spaces and forcing men to change their behavior, guys think about how we talk about women when they aren't around. Look at the Men's Room on WWBM, it's almost 100% pics.
Men talk about women who are bitches and hate them for it, or we physically rank one woman's bodyparts against another, or we discuss their facial 'attractiveness'.
Dave Chapelle was playing it for laughs, but I know most of us remember when he said there are only 4 things a woman has to do to make a man HAPPY; 1) suck his dick, 2) play with his balls, 3) fix him a sandwich, 4) don't talk so much.

Funny, yes. Sad because so many guys actually feel this way; fuck me, feed my face and STFU.

I won't write a dissertational response, but the reason woman are finding it harder to hook up with marriage compatible men isn't all the fault of women.
There are still women out here who are intuitive enough to give a man the space he needs in a relationship so he can be the MAN in their marriage.

If a guy is more emotionally and psychologically satisfied from playing video games, getting fat and spending his cash once a week to fuck escorts or hook up with bar flys, that's not someone who's the new role model for male aspirations.

Both men and women are the problem and the solution when it comes to monogamous relationships. You can't put the whole burden exclusively on the backs of one gender.

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Men have always been judged for their ability to provide for their mate. That's the way it's been, the way it's always going to be. Being willing to marry a doctor doesn't mean a nurse will only find doctors acceptable marriage material was the point; we're talking about women having unrealistic expectations for a husband.

For most professional women the standard from my experience is meet me where I'm at, don't bring both of us down.

It's not salary that makes some women's expectations unrealistic, it's all the other soap opera perfection many want in a relationship that dooms many of their love lives from the jump.

I feel like too many men have forgotten how to BE men in a relationship, which has nothing at all with living up to some women's stratospheric expectations. If a man doesn't know how to give a woman a 'reality check' and accurately assess his own value, he's not really cut out for being married.

Again, most of the women I know aren't bitches, they aren't dreamy high schoolers whose idyllic fantasies dominate their entire waking lives.

Yes there are women who sabotage their own relationships with their attitudes and expectations, but I know sooooo many adult men who would rather play video games than fuck their woman at night.:smt009

People are becoming more self-centered on both sides, which is not the best disposition to have in a LTR for both men and women.

If you're focus is 'ME' and not 'WE', guess what??? Eventually your marriage is going to turn into a steamy pile of doo doo that no one wants to own anymore
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Exactly.

Too many people are focused on getting a spouse rather than learning to be one.
 
It's like women who don't like assholes but can't seem to stop getting with them. Also to many have unreasonable expectations. Seriously it's like all women think they deserve a tall good looking guy with a dick made of chocolate that ejaculates money. When they themselves are nothing special.

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I've come across soooo many avg looking girls that think they deserve a tall/dark/handsome/rich guy. Their expectations are so unrealistic its clownin.
 
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I've come across soooo many avg looking girls that think they deserve a tall/dark/handsome/rich guy. Their expectations are so unrealistic its clownin.

One thing I can give men is no average dude thinks he deserves a really hot chick. Happy as hell if he gets one but I dont see them demanding it like average chicks especially bw
 
but avg looking chicks want a dude 6 foot 2 ripped and making hella money.

and yep in my experience they are the worse ones. first thing i ask these chicks that want all that is "what exactly do you YOU bring to the table"

And so, once again, it all boils down to looks. This avg chick could be educated, intelligent, emotionally mature & stable, have a rewarding career and a dynamic personality. And the 6'2" gym rat could be dumb as a rock making his money from selling drugs.

I'm an average chick, imo. Give me a guy who, yeah, is tall (I like that) who has a decent body (I like a little extra padding, personally), who has a job that's interesting and that he likes and that pays the bills. But just as important (if not more so) is a sense of humor, a warm & compassionate nature, intelligence, a generous spirit....you get the idea. I think there are more women out there who think like me than not.
 
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