Ukrainian Women, Ukraine, and Black Men

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ILYWW I do believe you are past the point of trying to make us feel you are not trolling here. GTFO!:evil:

Say what? I am here to help Black men in relation to issues regarding the Ukraine.

If you have experience to pass on in regards to the Ukraine then please by all means share it with us. Do you have ANY experience to share in regards to this topic I wonder?:smt081

Anyway getting back to the point....
 
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Rules Again

Rule #3:

The "Bad boy Gangsta image" is not going to work for you so do not go to the Ukraine with the "Bad Boy Gangsta Image." Go there being a nice gentleman. If you go with the Bad boy Gangsta Image you will draw a lot of attention to yourself. Some of this attention will be negative such as police harassment because the police over there are very suspicious of Black people namely Black men-SO BE CAREFUL because you do not want to go there and draw the Wrong Kind of attention to yourself. You can be cool but just don't overdo it!.

Go there as a respectable gentleman who treats women well and you will do fine. I posted this topic for Serious Black men-note the word "Serious." The Genuine White women in the Ukraine do not want Game Players. They always tell you that they want "serious relations." If you are not going to the Ukraine for such then you should stay at home.

Also Do NOT go there Flashing a lot of money around. I can tell you that some men from the West go there and as Fools flash their money around. That is like blood in the water for sharks. The scammers will quickly pounce on you if you do this. Plus you may even make yourself a target for thieves and robbers.

Remember you want to attract the RIGHT kind of woman NOT the one who wants you for money but one who wants YOU for YOU my Black Brothers.
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ILYWW I do believe you are past the point of trying to make us feel you are not trolling here. GTFO!:evil:

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Thanks for the Post

I'm actually glad this has been brought up. it was on my mind too.

i am talking with several girls from a small town called Poltava in ukraine.

Basically - avoid discussion forums which are populated by american and russian white men. They will not encourage you or give you positive advice.

Simply put... they are all racist at heart. the racist russian white men will not help you and will not tell you the truth. the old american white men that typically go there on those tours who is a redneck who is there in the forum will not help you either because he too is racist.

One girl who i talk to is from the small town of poltava and she told me that ukraine white men don't like brown skin men to be with their women. Simply put, there are angry white men in slavic world too! Just not alot.

However, ukraine women have a huge amount of curiosity toward us black americans. They have interest because its a curiosity thing. Also those women are really tired of how their men treat them too. So this is why they are curious if you will bring a more positive element to their lives.

they are very isolated from what happens in our world and they don't know anything except what they see in movies. And for the ones that don't speak english. well they are even more curious.

but not all slavic women are attracted to black men. But there are so very many that will be that you will feel good about your chances.

Yes, they mostly have expereince with africans or arabians. Not american black men.

I have mixed feelings about certain areas. I have been warned by men that a black man should stay out of moscow. Why? skinheads for one and other types of things. But overall some parts of russia have race problems. So there

But i say yes... focus on areas that are used to dealing with foreigners.

Right now i'm communicating with a girl who lives in Odessa. And she is very very stunnng. She looks like a super-model. She makes some of the women on supermaker magazine covers look like leftovers. And the odd thing is she claims she feels she is too old and that she is average. Its odd because in slavic world there is something in the gene pool there. I mean women are just naturally beautifull. Beautiful eyes, pretty faces, beautiful bodies - and being that its a poor country - the women dress very well too. Pretty women clothes must not cost alot of money there because some of them dress like movie stars.

One woman i spoke to lives in Poltava too. And she is in beauty peageants there too. And the crazy thing is she is tall and stunning and she doesn't do any type of phsysical training to stay in shape. Its shocking. And in some cases she gets 2nd place. So it boggles my mind. That i could have such a woman.

i will say this. The advantage we as american black men have in Ukraine is that you really have no competition at all.

Here in the USA its hard enough to find a woman who is halfway decent who isn't high maintenance and doesn't have an ego. The other element here is there is so much competition and cock blocking over pretty women that its downright hopeless.

So just know that if you learn the russian language, take care of your body (go to gym), have your money/career in order, and dress decent and then just approach the whole ukraine/russian women thing in the right way. You are guranteed to have a fine woman on your arm. And the crazy part is these stunning beautiful women are used to ukraine men who are basically flunkies who drink and smoke too much or old out of shape american white men or geeky nerdy white men.

So i feel so relieved that
1) there is an over-flow of fine women over there and
2) you will have no competition.



it just requires effort on our parts and it will cost some money. But its worth it. You just have to present yourself well. I'm doing some serious dance training right now. And just know that if you're a good dancer you will double your chances. those women love to listen to techno music and dance at the night clubs.


infact i wish to ask a question myself - the girl im talking to now (galyuta) is asking me about race relations is america. And i honestly don't know what to say to her.

I mean i could tell the brutal truth. i could sugar coat things and tell her some things, or i could tell her nothing. i'm not sure. i know that i cannot lie about how it is. I know for a fact that part of the equation is living in the right environment. the other aspect is she is ukraninan/russian. So she needs to be in an environment that is supportive of her needs and be around people who are capable of loving and liking her. It would be hard for her because women (especially american black women) will get jealous of her looks. So i have to really think about what i will say to this woman.

She is not exactly pale/white. She has a very slight brown tint to her skin tone but she isn't really brown either. I guess she might consider herself to be mixed but again she isn't really brown at all. She looks like a beautiful dark haried white woman with a really good everlasting tan. But ukraine/russia is virtually untouched by american black men.

and i'm actually glad for it too. i'm very sick and tired of ego clashing with other american black men because of the fact there there is an attractive woman in the room. So its a breath of fresh air for me.

Sometimes i pinch myself because i'm saying "wow i can have a woman like that?"

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1. Poltava is a very beautiful region for finding white women. I have seen some white women in Poltava and they have honestly taken my breath away and made my heart melt. They are so gorgeous! Wow!

2. Can you tell me how you met these women? Did you go through an agency? I will give advice on agencies and tour groups later on.

3. However, let us not put down other women from other countries as well because they can be just as wonderful also.

4. As for the issue of Race relations-you can be honest with her but my advice is to tell her that acceptance is a lot better where you live than in the Ukraine because believe me it is. Forget about the jealousy of others or their stares and so on-a relationship is between two people but tell her in a step-by-step process. Don't tell her everything at once but the best way to start is how I told you.

5. As for English Rosetta Stone is the best. Agencies tend to charge you to teach the lady English as times. One agency I know of charged $2500 United States dollars and upwards to teach a lady English down in Kiev. Others are different of course. Plus there are beginner courses for someone to learn English on the internet FREE of charge.

6. You are correct about the discussion forums-I can 100% vouch for what you are saying.:smt087

7. About the somewhat dark-brown complexion of one of the women (galyuta) you were mentioning there are other ethnic groups in the Ukraine and not just white women alone:

Ethnic groups

Ukrainian 77.8%,
Russian 17.3%,
Belarusian 0.6%,
Moldovan 0.5%,
Crimean Tatar 0.5%,
Bulgarian 0.4%,
Hungarian 0.3%,
Romanian 0.3%,
Polish 0.3%,
Jewish 0.2%,
other 1.8% (2001 census)

I suspect she could have some Crimean Tartar ancestry in her since those who are the Tartar do have that kind of appearance though it is only a guess about her ancestry let me say.

8. You are correct about the perceptions of Ukrainian men but not all are like this of course. I once spoke to a male photographer in the Lugansk one time who wanted to take me around and show me all of the beautiful women in Lugansk so not all are bad and it does depend upon who you meet and who is open-minded to you.

9. As I said before the POLICE are the ones to watch out for. So be VERY careful of them.
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P.S. One of the things I love about Russian/Ukrainian or Slavic women are the terms they use when they really care about someone. The tend to call them "the beloved" or "my love." Something a real man can never, ever get tired of hearing. Never heard American women use those terms regularly by the way but then again ALL women are different but this is part of the culture of Slavic women I can tell you. The term "beloved" means "the favorite one.":D
 
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Thanks for the Response. You are correct. The intention why I created this topic is so that any Ukrainian lady stumbling on to this topic will see the GOOD in Black men and yes Brothers, Black Men are FINE and GOOD.

The Ukrainian lady is stumbled on to this thread already. And wants to discuss your mistakes)

1. For many years Russia and Ukraine was closed off to the West and this created a very closed minded attitude in the people. Ukraine is a young democracy but STILL there is a closed minded attitude by some to Black men with white women there BUT hopefully GOOD Black men can change that which we know that they most certainly can and will.

I will not let you name my country as a closely minded one. It's not the truth. Though yes, i agree with the rest.

2. In the East of the Ukraine especially there is largely much inexperience with Black men and with the outside world which is why some Ukrainian women like to talk about world travel a lot. The most experience they may have is with men from Africa but you are correct there are stereotypes associated with them. There can be a Fear as well that some have that GOOD Black men can Change.
3. There is hope though. For example in Odessa now and again you do see some Black brother with white women out on the beaches in the sun. Plus Odessa is a port city where the Cruise ships come in so people are accustomed to seeing different people from other places.

The truth.

4. Let me be very Frank and very Real with you Black Brothers out there. If you DO want to go after Ukrainian White ladies then please avoid the POLICE or at least be Nice to them and show how nice you can be if you meet them on the Street. I am sorry to say that in certain places if you are not white and Black the POLICE will stop you and ask for your international identification or papers whereas with others they Won't. It CAN be a nuisance but if you DO encounter the POLICE please be NICE to them. If you are NICE to them when you meet them and they stop you on the street then your encounter with them will be brief and they will let you be on your way.

I'm not agree. I lived in Ukraine for almost 20 years, and the police also stopped me sometimes and asked for the documents. The same was in Russia. Though i'm white. The police can stop anyone, don't intimidate people) The police just do what they have to do, they are doing their job. And by the way, if you are preventing them from checking your documents, or arguing, they can take you to the police station. It's a law.

5. My suggestion to you is that two good places to go looking for white women in Ukraine are Odessa and Kiev and I say again Beware of the Police. I am not going to hide anything because you will have to Face this but after you deal with the Police nicely they will leave you alone once they are done with you as I said before.

Odessa, Kiev, Kharkiv, Donetsk, Kirovograd, Simferopol and almost ALL the cities)
Again about the police... :rolleyes:

6. If you go to Lugansk BE VERY CAREFUL-Lugansk is known as Scammer Country-So Beware of Scammers and yes Ukraine has scammers but there are GOOD white ladies there too as well.

Oh, really???? REALLY?????????? You can find a scammer in Odessa and Kiev too, but you are suggesting these two cities for looking fr WW.

7. If you want to find a white lady in the Ukraine here are some more Rules (more later) :

A. FIND one who has broken up with her boyfriend for starters or a lady who may be divorced who wants something new or a lady who lives alone in an apartment but take your time and check their character out.:)

REALLY??????? ARE YOU SERIOUS????????
Looks like... like.... i'll better keep silent. But you are wrong!

B. Stay away from Dark alleys or isolated places and stick to the more modern places. Robbers are found in isolated or dark alleys. Stick to the more modern places and you will be Fine.

It's a common rule for the unknown country\city, not only for Ukraine.

C. DO NOT let a lady want you to take her to dinner where you have to pay for everything or take you to stores where you have to pay for everything. She is trying to Soft Scam You. No matter how she looks. Walk Away. She is a Scammer.

REALLY???????? For you to know... It's a normal thing for Ukraine and Russia as well, when A MAN pays for the dinner. It's a tradition. It's a good form for Ukraine. If you don't have a lot of money, just don't take your woman to the really expensive places. And that's all.
Well, you may be right only in one situation. If you just meet a girl and she is trying to take you to the expensive restaurant or to the store with clothes or mobile phones. Yes, in this case, she is a scammer.

D. If you find one know that All Ladies want a man who is kind and nice. Do NOT show her that you are into excessive alcohol drinking. A Big NO NO. :smt072 You see one of the complaints Ukrainian ladies have about Ukrainian men is that they are into alcoholism and it is true. Some Ukrainian men sadly Abuse Ukrainian women under the influence of alcohol. Alcoholism is like a plague over there in the Ukraine and Russia. In fact it is estimated that the population of Russia will shrink from over 141 million to 111 million because each year they experience over 900,000 deaths due to alcohol.

A part of a truth. Most of the ukrainian men are drug-addicted. Most of the russian men are alcoholics.

E. Just show her how GOOD you are in Your character. It is very simple to win a beautiful white lady in the Ukraine even if you are a Black Guy-Just Treat Her Well and let her see how nice you are and you will win her. That's ALL they are asking for because they complain that Ukrainian men Do NOT treat them well. I mean some of these guys are known to let their wives work and bring home the money while they stay home or they may cheat on her at times with other women. Some men are known to have four or five girlfriends at times. Its all a BIG mess how these women get treated and so all they are asking for is something DIFFERENT and Black men CAN offer them that.:)

Truth.

You have got to show her how different you are from these men in the Ukraine. If you show her how DIFFERENT you are then she will not see your Black skin color but she will see you as a Good man regardless of your skin and that is what must happen but GOOD Black men have got to show this. I cannot overemphasize this-BE GOOD and Treat her GOOD. It is ALL she wants if you do find a Ukrainian lady.

Actually, you don't need to show smth. Be yourself.

F. Talk about the fact that you are serious about family creation in the future. If she sees you are serious like this you will also win her as well. They also complain that Ukrainian men are NOT serious about family which is very important to them and from a young age Mothers pass on to their daughters that creating a Family is the HIGHEST priority which is what these ladies most certainly want.

If you don't want to create a family with this woman, don't lie her. Otherwise you'll see how your "tender lady" is turning to the "evil bitch" in 3 seconds when she find out the truth.

Ukrainian women ARE worth finding JUST DON'T FIND THE SCAMMERS THAT'S ALL and I will be posting more about finding one but thanks for the posts thus far.:D

I promise that i'll be commenting on your posts. I won't let you spoil the impression about my native country)

P.S. Going on Russian Forums won't get these kinds of answers as a Black man except great negativity at times from some. You may even waste your time going there and I DO NOT advise you go to one UNLESS you are seeking (1) Travel Advice (2) Understanding the Culture, and (3) Knowledge of the Country and that's it. Asking them about interracial unions with White women and Black men in the Ukraine is NOT going to get you the answers you are seeking and they may even discourage you. Trust me I talk from great experience and I will tell you why later on.[/SIZE]:rock:

The truth.

Well... I'll soon comment on ALL your posts. Be sure.
 
I know, its actually good to see women who are directly from this part of the world give their views on the topic as you have done.

Nice to see another Russian woman here along with christine dubois. :)

Hää????

You know, not enough that sooooo many people mistake me in real life with a russian woman. here online, now, too?

I am swiss german, I just have female friends from Ukraina, because a lot were working for me in the past years and I have several russian male friends that are married to ukrainian women, too.:smt042
 
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Why not? ))
But to live... I'm not sure. Just the level of life is not very high.
As for me, i'll never live there. I want the best for my son.

Because I've never made good experiences, only bad ones, very bad ones...I don't even travel with my african people to any east european country, the meetings are all organised in Switzerland.

I was just interested..in Ukraina I've never been
 
Hää????

You know, not enough that sooooo many people mistake me in real life with a russian woman. here online, now, too?

I am swiss german, I just have female friends from Ukraina, because a lot were working for me in the past years and I have several russian male friends that are married to ukrainian women, too.:smt042

LOL, hah, Schwytzertütsch.

For some reason I thought you were Russian, maybe its my memory of that photograph of you with Red Square in the background you posted once.
 
Thanks) but i'm Ukrainian.

LOL, my bad Wolfsherz, don't want to get those two mixed up. Are you from Eastern or Western Ukraine.

I saw recently where Viktor Yanukovich wants Russian to become an officially recognized language with so many Russian speakers in the Eastern part of the country.

Why not? ))
But to live... I'm not sure. Just the level of life is not very high.
As for me, i'll never live there. I want the best for my son.

I see so you are in Russia now, but Ukrainian born, got it. I just saw your location and assumed Russian since that is where it showed.
 
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